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[Discussion] The Demonic Council

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Post by XIII » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:11 pm

We’ll be using this thread from now on to finish off anything and everything Togabito related.

I’ll try and update this post with a To-do list just to keep track of things that need to be done / things that have been done.


Todo List:
  • Finish the weapon forge & weapon crafting / upgrade system.
  • Competing contract system.
  • Need demon list / Contract threads
  • Need HQ
  • Ranking list / CBS records
  • Need Information threads (Hellfire list, general Togabito)
  • Profile Template
  • Unique CBS descriptions for Togabito.
  • Other things I might be forgetting
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Re: Race Expansion Phase 2: Togabito Headquarters

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Post by XIII » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:13 pm

[Hi hello, post reserved for ideas]

Before I get into the meat of the idea here I need to preface things a bit. Plus a few edits or adjustment from the race expansion thread.
  • Standard Combat Abilities:

    Defense:The core of Togabito defense will be referred to as “Heavy Metal” or just “Metal”. This technique revolves around using one’s binding chains as their primary form of defense. Togabito particular skilled in this ability can wrap themselves in the chains of hell and wear it like armor, like skin or even infuse the chain into theirselves in order to bolster their resilience. No matter method the effect is the same.

    As Metal comes in various sounds and styles, each use of this defensive ability is unique to the user. Some of the various styles of this ability are as follows.

    Note: All various forms of this ability are all effectively cosmetic in nature, and only affect one’s appearance rather than the strength or properties of a Togabito’s defenses.
    • Deth Metal: The user molds and reshapes their chains and wears to wear it armor. This armor is as sturdy as their skill in this art would dictate, but also comes at the advantage of being fine-tuned to the user’s needs so as to not impede mobility.
    • Black Metal: The user molds and reshapes their chains to wear it like a second skin. This skin has an unmistakably black shading to it, that is said to resemble the darkest of voids. Despite this, this skin somehow offers no stealth benefits.
    • Metalcore:The user molds and reshapes their chains into an metalic liquid which they then inject into themselves. The Metal quickly spreads through their body, hardening in along the way, giving them a core of pure Metal. A style for those who wish to retain their purest of appearances.
    Note: Additional styles of Metal with different sylistic influences can be added later.


    Offense: The core of Togabito offense comes in three forms. The first is their weaponry.

    Instrumental: As with Heavy Metal, Togabito are also capable or reshaping their chains to form weapons. These weapons can take on any form or shape to suit their needs. While naturally, Togabito only ever master one style, those especially proficient in this have the ability to master not just multiple weapons, but also multiple Instrumental Styles.

    As instrumentals come in various sounds and styles, each use of this offensive ability is unique to the user. Though not all are bound to these styles. Instead, they’re merely ways to describe and categorize some of the stylistic choices made. Some of the various styles of this ability are as follows:
    • Acapella: A rigid style forged by those who choose their own path and would rather curse the world with the power of their own voice. Acapella users craft a single weapon of their own making and infuse it with their own demonic power. As such, Acapella weapons tend to have a number unique properties or even powers attached to them, in exchange for the lack of potential flexibility. However, as a means to expand their flexibility and potential, it is possible that Acapella user may learn to evoke the voices of other demons in order to infuse their powers within these types of weapons.
    • Percussion: A style for those who like to get their own bare hands dirty, or the brutal feel of a thousand faces being smashed across their fists. This style focuses on weapons centered around the hands. From cesti, to knuckles and even claws all forms of hand weaponry are born in this style.
    • Strings: A style mostly dedicated to the pure demons at heart with a desire to conquer and lock down the short to mid-range areas. Strings users turn their own binding chains into weapons like whips, flails, and other chainlike weapons to strike foes from afar with ease.
    • Brass:Brass is a style that covers all manner of striking and slashing weapons. Swords, staves, clubs and more. If you can swing it and hurt something in the process, it’s almost assuredly a brass style weapon.
    • Wind: While not an element, the wind style definitely leaves that impression. Wind users focus on the use of projectile weapons, and send arrows, bullets, cannoballs and whatever else hurtling towards unfortunate souls.
    Instrumental Arsenal/ Style Mastery:

    What truly separates Togabito from the other races is their unique ability to not only learn to effectively use and master multiple weapons and styles, but also change the shape and form of their weapons on the fly to suit their needs.

    Given this unique trait, the true potential of the Togabito’s offensive capabilities lies largely in their Instrumental Arsenal. This Arsenal is a collection of weapons that the Togabito have either forged themselves or earned through conquest. Regardless of their rank, or which Circle of the Demonic Order they reside, all Togabito may eventually learn and master the use of five additional weapons (typically of a singular weapons style). After which, they may freely switch between any of these weapons as at any point they desire.

    Going beyond this, Togabito may also master multiple weapon styles. Allowing them to use an even greater range of weapons than what normally allowed. The number of styles

    Weapon / Armor Crafting:
I did say I’d be working on things publicly soooo moving this from my private area to here. This is still a MASSIVE work in progress still but to explain, I’m working out the weapon switching / crafting system. Anyone is free to add in ideas here and I’ll do my best to make them work, but I’m still sorting through my own ideas to make this work @[email protected]
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Re: Race Expansion Phase 2: Togabito Headquarters

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Post by XIII » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:14 pm

[Hi hello, post reserved for big ideas]
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Post by Akugaranwa Itachi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:51 am

Okay so I will be handling The Ranking list/CBS records and I will also take care of the Demon List/contracts....


This I will be doing one at a time..... @XIII
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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:58 am

For the demon list I’ll be working with you on that since there is a certain way that should be. In essence it won’t necessarily be a simple task
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Post by Akugaranwa Itachi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:20 am

XIII wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:58 am
For the demon list I’ll be working with you on that since there is a certain way that should be. In essence it won’t necessarily be a simple task
Okay, that works......however I would like to see how it is you want it to be then i’ll Follow in that pattern and make mine.
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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:39 am

Akugaranwa Itachi wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:20 am
Okay, that works......however I would like to see how it is you want it to be then i’ll Follow in that pattern and make mine.
Brace yourself... I’ve laid out the foundation for the whole system but the rules and how exactly everything needs to work hasn’t been solidified or polish.

Here under demon contracting, you’ll find all of my work. So need to finalize how respect will work for the various ranks. How to assign demon stats and traits for their ranks (at least in regards to what stats they boost and by how much) for demonic presence, influence and possession. Then establishing a general balance for all these aspects across the demon ranks (and the rest of the RP). And then getting a solid format for how to nicely display all this information.

I’m sure there’s more I’m forgetting but that’s kinda how it is now with so many things that need to be tracked and dealt with.
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Post by PhoenixDayne » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:37 am

I'll take on the profile templates, weapon forge and possibly, descriptions.
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Post by Akugaranwa Itachi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:54 am

XIII wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:58 am
For the demon list I’ll be working with you on that since there is a certain way that should be. In essence it won’t necessarily be a simple task
For the contract, I know this is late but I think making a form of sacrifice as the basis for summoning a Demon and to ascend from one rank of a Demon to another. For example, to accend from a Demon Duke(Major) to a Demon Lord, one would need to make a certain amount of sacrifice that sacrifice would be the gathering of conquered souls and giving it to the being you want summon. The amount of souls would depend on the amount of Respect and the type of Demon you get to summon from Valhalla. Then a Voice from the World(That would be the Demon God) would bless upon you a specific ability Unique to the character. E.t.c
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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:47 am

Akugaranwa Itachi wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:54 am
For the contract, I know this is late but I think making a form of sacrifice as the basis for summoning a Demon and to ascend from one rank of a Demon to another. For example, to accend from a Demon Duke(Major) to a Demon Lord, one would need to make a certain amount of sacrifice that sacrifice would be the gathering of conquered souls and giving it to the being you want summon. The amount of souls would depend on the amount of Respect and the type of Demon you get to summon from Valhalla. Then a Voice from the World(That would be the Demon God) would bless upon you a specific ability Unique to the character. E.t.c
There’s a reason why I set s deadline for these things.

It’s m too late to add this in as at the foundation since I would have to reconsider everything moving forward with this new thing you’re throwing out in mind. If you want to see it added, you’ll have to do the leg work for it and expand it to make sense with everything else that’s going go. Otherwise you’ll have to set this idea aside for later or something else entirely.
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Post by Akugaranwa Itachi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:00 am

XIII wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:15 am
WARNING: MASSIVE POST IMMENIENT

@PhoenixDayne & @Fluxarc since y’all are the main ones on this train aside from me. I’d like your input. Godspeed those there’s def a lot to unpack. & @Kira-duh-savage if you’re interested too, your comments would be welcomed. Think that’s everyone. Sorry if there’s someone else interested in this race that I missed.

gonna try to to map out like... well everything togabito related. Due to time I’m going to do my best to jump this whole part of the project ahead a few light years.

For the sake of keeping things clean, and this post fairly well organized I’ll be placing all the extra beefy content into spoilers. Also the formatting is a lil funky as I’ve been working on this from mobile over the course of several days. I will be cleaning this up later.


The Basics
  • Tigabito are the official Hell Race of the Bleach Verse
  • Obviously the reside in hell.
  • Hell is reserved for those who have committed crimes (sins) in their human life rather than in their spiritual life (like hollow), and have had Konso performed on them by Shinigami.
    All things after this point are considered tentative
  • Togabito will pull strong/demon devil influence (perhaps even moreso than in the canon).
  • Togabito will break the mold and use a sound/music them rather than one centered around a culture or language like other races.
  • A such, the core of demon power comes from their chains, and their voice. Using their voice, Demons literally speak evil to manifest it as power, a power simply rerrered to a cursing.
  • Hell will be based either on the Hel(heim) of Norse mythos or (Dante’s) Inferno.
  • They will have abilities unique to them, such as summoning hellfire, and contracting with demons which they can either summon or “merge” with.
  • Togabito power is centered around the manipulation and manifestation of sin.
  • They can do so by embracing their true evil nature or the essence of their sin though techniques called Sin Resonance and Sin Echo which resemble Bankai and Shikai respectively.
  • Using either ability breaks the otherwise unbreakable chains that bind them, allow them to unleash their full power.
    Additional points to be added
If I left anything out or needs to be changed the list will be adjusted accordingly.

Togabito Ranking:
Togabito will be ranked similarly to those of all the general demons of hell. Unlike their Shinigami and Arrancar counterparts there are only 6 major ranks of the Togabito’s Demonic Army.

The Fifth Circle: Lesser Demons These will make up the bottom echelon of the Togabito Army. Essentially they would be the status equivalent of those considered recruits and going up as far as the 16th seat.

The Fourth Circle: Greater Demons These will make up the lower echelon of the Togabito Army. Essentially they would be the status equivalent of those considered 15th seat and going up as far as the 12th seat.

The Third Circle: Major Demons These will make up the middle echelon of the Togabito army. Essentially they would be the status equivalent of those considered 11th seat and going up as far as the 7th seat.

The Second Circle: Demon Lords These will make up the upper echelon of the Togabito Army. Essentially they would be the status equivalent of those considered 6th seat and going up as far as the 3rd seat.

The First Circle: Demon King This denotes the Togabito Army’s second in comman. Essentially they would be the status equivalent of those considered Vice-Captain.

The Origin: Demon God This denotes the Togabito Army’s supreme ruler, and hell’a ultimate authority. Essentially they would be the status equivalent of those considered Captain.

Togabito Stats
Of course Togabito stats will play a major part as with all races thought there will be a few minor differences.

All things after this point are to be considered tentative

Demonic Authority: This will replace their reiatsu control stat and become something much more fitting for their identity. As status and renown are staples of the underworld, the Togabito’s ability to make use of their spiritual energy is a reflection of such status. Togabito do not control reiatsu, they command it. Where control implies some level of restraint, command projects the idea of unflinching power. This stat will govern the types of demon contracts they can forge, as well as the power and type of the hell fire they can summon.

Immorality / Sin Mastery: This will essentially mirror the zanpakutou mastery stat that Arrancar and Shinigami have. This of course will not only govern how much command they have if we their echo and resonance forms, but also the number of abilities they can make use of. Of course, reflecting what Shinigami and Arracar are capable of. Where things differ is that this power is not like forging a bond with a blade, or reconnecting with their true nature. Rather this is a reflection of how truly evil or malevolent a soul is. The deeper into the lord of sin they are, the stronger this power is.

Note: Any other changes to stat names are up for grabs.
Togabito Abilties

All things after this point until the end of this post are to be considered tentative
Abilities & Techniques Overview:
  • Standard Combat Abilities:

    Defense:The core of Togabito offense will be refres to as “Heavy Metal” or just “Metal”. This technique revolves around using one’s binding chains as their primary form of defense. Togabito particular skilled in this ability can wrap themselves in the chains of hell and wear it like armor. Those particular skilled may reshape and wear their chains like skin or even infuse the chain into theirselves in order to bolster their resilience. No matter method the effect is the same.

    This is partly for funsies, but if you guys are up for it as much as I am, then so it’ll be.

    As metal comes in various sounds and styles, each use of this defensive ability is unique to the user. Some of the various styles of this ability are as follows.

    Note: All various forms of this ability are all effectively cosmetic in nature, and only affect one’s appearance rather than the strength or properties of a Togabito’s defenses.
    • Deth Metal: The user molds and reshapes their chains and wears to wear it armor. This armor is as sturdy as their skill in this art would dictate, but also comes at the advantage of being fine-tuned to the user’s needs so as to not impede mobility.
    • Black Metal: The user molds and reshapes their chains to wear it like a second skin. This skin has an unmistakably black shading to it, that is said to resemble the darkest of voids. Despite this, this skin somehow offers no stealth benefits.
    • Metalcore:The user molds and reshapes their chains into an metalic liquid which they then inject into themselves. The Metal quickly spreads through their body, hardening in along the way, giving them a core of pure Metal. A style for those who wish to retain their purest of appearances.
    Note: if this idea catches on, additional styles of Metal with different sylistic influences can be added later. Anyway, as the goal for the Togabito is lots of space for customization and uniqueness I figured adding this in could help expand that.


    Offense: The core of Togabito offense comes in three forms. The first is their weaponry.

    Instrumental: As with Heavy Metal, Togabito are also capable or reshaping their chains to form weapons. These weapons can take on any form or shape to suit their needs, typically once a weapon is formed it tends to stay that way permanently. However, there are those that have adopted a certain style of the Instrumental, allowing them to switch seamlessly between similar types of weapons.

    Note: For the part highlighted in red it can easily be tossed out if need be, but I was thinking that users that choose either their own unique weapon or a weapon style. Going the unique weapon route would lock them into a singular weapon, but choosing a style would let you switch to any weapon relating to that style. Essentially shapeshiftjng weapons, but with some limitations to them. Perhaps maybe 2 or 3 weapons. Part of this came from the fact that they’re evil by nature. Literally demons. And switching weapons would be like an underhanded tactic in the bleach verse. Kinda fits in line with the whole demon identity.

    As instrumentals come in various sounds and styles, each use of this offensive ability is unique to the user. Though, not all are bound to these styles they’re merely ways to describe some of the choices made. Some of the various styles of this ability are as follows:
    • Acapella: A style forge by those who choose their own path and would rather curse the world with the power of their own voice. Acapella users craft a weapon of their own making however this style tends to be much more rigid, limiting the manifestation to a singular weapon.
    • Percussion: A style for those who like to get their own bare hands dirty, or the brutal feel of a thousand faces being smashed across their fists. This style focuses on weapons centered around the hands. From cesti, to knuckles and even claws all forms of hand weaponry are born in this style.
    • Strings: A style mostly dedicated to the pure demons at heart with a desire to conquer and lock down the short to mid-range areas. Strings users turn their own binding chains into weapons like whips, flails, and other chainlike weapons to strike foes from afar with ease.
    • Brass:Brass is a style that covers all manner of striking and slashing weapons. Swords, staves, clubs and more. If you can swing it and hurt something in the process, it’s almost assuredly a brass style weapon.
    • Wind: While not an element, the wind style definitely leaves that impression. Wind users focus on the use of projectile weapons, and send arrows, bullets, cannoballs and whatever else hurtling towards unfortunate souls.
Demomic Echo and Demonic Resonance
Demonic Echo: A technique centered around giving voice to one’s original sin. Through this delicate employment of “cursing” one is able to partially able to break their binding chains are attain a form that echoes their true evil essence. This ability if is similar to both that of Resurreccion and Shikai.

Demonic Resonance: A technique where one exhibits true mastery of cursing speaks a language most foul. This causes resonance with their truest and most evil nature, and ballows one to completely, abeit temporarily, break free of their binding chains to attain a form befitting such malintent. This ability is similar to Bankai.
Hellfire:
Perhaps the most signature of the Togabito’s techniques, and the the purest representation of demonic power. These flames do not burn like any other, for they are born and fueled by sheer hatred and malice and exist only to destroy. These flames will not be easily extinguished, especially not by simply using wind or water. Perhaps they aren’t even flames at all, but simple the form the malevolence takes when unleashed. The flames can be summoned and commanded in various forms and colors to suit the user’s needs, preferences, and authority. While all forms of hellfire are equally viable, as their strength depends on the user’s ability to command their might, some forms are clearly superior and thus require great authority to utilize.


The variations of Hellfire are as follows:
  • Lesser Hellfire: ( E-D+)
  • Hellball: The most standard and easily applicable form of Hellfire, where the user molds the hellflame into a tightly packed ball of the infernal energy and hurls it forward. The impact is followed by moderately explosive results.
  • Infernal Voice: The ability to curse the air itself, turning their very breath into a torrent of Hellfire.
  • Jet of Chaos: As the name implies, chaos can only follow the use of this ability. In mere moments, the user can create large waves of flames that scorch the earth and immolate the weak.

    Greater Hellfire: (C-B+)
  • Gate of Hades: The simplest form of demonic excellence. Through this ability, the user channels a gate and directly taps into the flames of the underworld. This allows them to summon portals capable of spewing streams of the infernal flame, or large fireballs from anywhere within a short distance of themselves.
  • Dirge of Cerberus- Sinister Crown:: Part of one of the most versatile and destructive forms of Hellfire. Channeling the use of this ability allows the user to manefest left head of the great demon, after which it surges forward with immense ferocity and seeks to breath the full might of its fangs upon the target. As one would expect from a bite of a flame beast, multiple intensely searing deeply penetrating stabs.
  • Dirge of Cerberus- Dextral Crown: Part of one of the most versatile and destructive forms of Hellfire. Channeling the use of this ability allows the user to manifest the right head of the great demon, after which it will remain at the user’s side for a short time, ocassinally spitting flames in the direction of the target. At most the head will only ever act three times in total before returning to the underworld.
  • Dirge of Cerberus- Focal Crown: Part of one of the most versatile and destructive forms of Hellfire. Channeling the use of this ability allows the user to manifest the central head of the great demon, after which it releases a great roar that causes a pillar of flame to erupt around the target, trapping them inside. Shortly after the pillar will collapse on a central point with explosive results.

    Major Hellfire:(A-S+)
  • Reckoning of Abbadon: The peak of hellflame. By channeling into the deepest and darkest pits of hell, one taps into the very essence of one of the great Demon Kings. The result is almost meteoric in effect. A massive ball of flame defends emerges from a hell gate and fall from the sky at an alarming pace. Upon impact widespread destruction follows as the explosion sends flames out in all directions.
  • Pit of Belias: One of the most frightening forms of hellfire. By channeling into the deepest and darkest pits of hell, one taps into the very essence of one of the great Demon Kings. The result is almost fathomless in effect. The earth begins to crack around the target before submerging benathe the surface as if to attempt to literally drag them to hell. There, flames begin to pour in from all directions before exploding and sending the target skyward.
  • Diablo: The most sinister form of Hellfire. By channeling into the deepest and darkest pits of hell, one taps into the very essence of one of the great Demon Kings. The result is almost volcanic in effect. The ground begins to rapidly heat up beneath the target before exploding with tremendous force as magma begins to spew forth and form a light rain of lava. The lava will stick to anything any everything it touches, leaving a lasting effect of pure agony before hardening and becoming a burden to any unfortunate souls.
  • Additional hellfire techniques can be added.
Movement & Transportation:

Apmplifier: As with the other races, so too do the Togabito practice the use of Hohou. Unlike the other movement techniques this technique represents the purest essence of demonic power. Using the power to speak curses and capitalize on its power, the amplifier technique seeks to make that voice louder. By doing so, the user rides the sounds waves of what seems to be a hellish scream (think metal growling/screaming) to their destination. In short, it amplifies both the sound of one’s cursing, and speed for a short moment.

Gehenna Gate: Perhaps a loophole or a back door to the laws forbidding the Togabito from Ever leaving hell. This gate is of demonic design rather than the actual Gates of Hell that the Soul King forged to keep them there. This gate, almost similar in design to the Garganta the hollow use, allows for travel from Hell to any of the outside worlds.
Demonic Contracting:
This one is going to be a thing.... here goes..


The final and perhaps the greatest pillar of Togabito combat is the ability to forge pacts, with demons and call upon their powers in battle. However first before accomplishing this task the rules must be known. Before even having the thought of signing a contract, one must have gained enough Demonic Authority. Demons are a prideful bunch and will not simply allow themselves to be bossed around by just anyone that sees themselves worthy. However, this is a mere prerequisite.

Respect: The true potential of a contract lies in how much Respect one has earned from a particular demon. While demons simply acknowledge authority, they in no way respect it, and as such respect must be earned. The more respect a demon has, the more of its power it will be willing to lend you. Respect is gained through conquest and displays of strength. Gaining victory in battle is one way of earning significant amounts of respect from any particular demon, however making valiant effort or even great displays of strength will earn respect as well. Additionally some level of respect will be earned simply through rank alone, but only up to a point (tbd). Respect will be given in the form of points (RP), which will be rewarded for various things.

There are 6 levels of respect:

Contempt (0 RP): It’s a wonder that this demon even forged a contract with you at all. At this level a demon will do nothing but curse your name should you try to call for its powers, leaving you with nothing in return.

Ambivalence (1-10 RP): The manifestion of a demon’s indifference towards you and your authority. Needless to say these demons with such little respect will offer only a sliver of their power.

Recognized (11-20 RP): You have gained at least the demon’s recognition as a living thing, with some form of authority in the demon world. Still only a fraction of their power is available to you.

Trusted (30 RP): You have gained a demon’s faith in your abilities, which, for a faithless being should literally be impossible. Despite that, they respect and trust you enough to lend an even greater portion of their power.

Respected (40 RP): You have not gained a demon’s unwaiverjng respect. Your authority is now fully recognized, yet a demon will only offer you most of its power in return.

Honored (50 RP): A true rarity in the demon world. So few hold anyone or anything in such high regard. This is the ultimate level of respect that can be earned, and as such demons will actually show some pride in speaking your name and serving you. The fullest extent of their powers will be lent to you without restrictions.


Note: TBD Respect will determine how many ability slots a demon can have, and how long Demonic Influence, Presence, or Possession can last.

That said, while most demons will entertain contracts with just about anyone with enough authority, there are some that will refuse all contracts with those outside of the absolute elite, and their respect after that is even harder to gain as well. Yet, in turn their power is above all others.

There are several classes of demons that can be contracted (default respect levels may be fine tuned later on).

Lesser Demon: A step above fodder, but only a step. Despite that, even lesser demons can make powerful foot soldiers or allies in the right hands. Though the weakest of the bunch means their cabilities are limited, they are by far the easiest to gain respect from.
Minimum Contract Requirements: D Level Authority
Rank Respect: Lesser Demons will fully respect Demon Lords and higher by default.

Greater Demons: Greater demons are some of the most well known names in terms of causing chaos and destruction. These great beast offer superior strength when compared to their lesser companions, though respect is a bit harder to gain from them.
Contract Requirements: C Level Authority
Rank Respect: Greater Demons will fully respect The Demon King and higher by default.

Major Demon: These are the demon elites. There are rare, but strength is conslidated in their rarity. As such, they boast tremendous potential yet are hard to impress. Reaching the full potential of contracts forged with Major Demons will take time, but the benefits of commanding their great power are almost essential.
Contract Requirements: B and B+ Level Authority
Rank Respect: Major Demons will fully respect the Demon God by default.

Demon Kings: Demon Kings are the examples of what true demon power is. These are the rules of their own corners of hell, and as such their power is nigh incontestable. They are easily capable of creating widespread destruction and chaos, however a King kneels for no one. Gaining their respect will take a king’s effort.
Contract Requirements: A-S+ Level Authority
Rank Respect: Demon Kings will partially respect other Demon Kings and higher by default.

Demon Gods: Demon gods are the supreme authorities of the Demon race, or at least they were until usurped by the new rulers— The Togabito. Their disdain for their usurpers is enough to last an eternity and as such gaining their full respect will require a prayer. Going beyond that they won’t even consider forging a contract outside of the First Circle and Origin. Their truly frightening power is unmatched by those of other demons.
Contract Requirements: A+-S+ Level Authority, and at least Demon King rank.
Rank Respect: Demon Gods will partially respect other Demon Gods default.


This unusual approach to battle comes in four main forms.

Demonic Summoning: Those who forge this type of contract will be able to a portion, or even the entirety of a demon’s might to aid them in battle. This immensely powerful form of contracting, however, does not come without a cost. The manifestation of demons outside of the corners of Hell they were banished to is no simple process. Doing so breaks the very laws set in place by the Soul King himself. As such, accomplishing this task comes with several caveats.

The first is that the manifestation is temporary, though time can be extended though forging stronger contracts. However, doing so requires a significant amount of respect. While demons that facing harm poses no threat to the summoner, the second caveat is that summoned demons are vulnerable to having their essence destabilized. Demons that suffer the attacks of enemies will have the duration of their manifestation time shortened. The last cost is is the highest and most severe of the tree. After suffering too much damage, their essence can be fully destabilized. This prevents them from being summoned again until after their essence is given time to reconstruct itself.

Demonic Influence: This arcane form of contracting allows one to offer theirself to the demon they have signed a contract with and becomes a host for that demon’s essence. Doing so allows one to become a minor representation of that demon and gain their traits and strength to add to their own. This goes so far as to physically alter the form and figure of those to undergo this demonic influence. It is possible, however, to suppress the physical changes and call upon them on demand if so desired.

Demonic Presence: Another arcane form of contracting. Identical in nature to demonic influence, the user offers theirself to the demon. However rather that becoming host for the demon’s essence they become a conduit for that demon’s power. As a result, the host is able to make use of the demon’s abilities as they would their own.

Demonic Possession: A middle ground between Demonic Presence and Demonic Influence. Possession is the complete surrender of one’s self to a demon, in exchange for gaining both the traits and the abilities of the demon they have contracted with. In essence making them an avatar for the demon. However the full potential of the traits, and abilities can not be realized in this manner. Nevertheless application of this ability is equally as frightening as the others.


Demonic Stability, Abilities and Traits:

All forms of demon essences, abilities and traits fall into one of three categories or levels. Lesser, Greater, Major.


Demonic Stability: A demon’s stability refers to how stable the demon’s essence is when summoned outside of their home world. Going beyond that, it refers to how long they can remain manifested if left unharmed.
  • Lesser Stability: A demon of lesser Stability is able to manifest for a maximum of 2 posts.
  • Greater Stability: A demon of greater stability is able to manifest for a maximum of 4 posts.
  • Major Stability: a demon of major Stability is able to manifest for a maximum of 6 posts.
Demonic Abilities: Demonic abilities are the purest essence of a demon’s offensive capability. However, some abilities require more power than others. As such only certain number of abilities can be manifested when summoned, or when granted through the use of demonic presence or posssesion. The total number of abilities available at any given time and for each level of respect will be unique to each demon.
  • Lesser Abilities: Are a demon’s weakest but most readily available abilities. These take up only one of the slots a demon will have available for manifestation.
  • Greater Abilities: Are a demon’s core abilities. They are quite powerful, however come at the cost of having much more limited availability than lesser abilities. These take up two of the slots available for manifestation
  • Major Abilties: Are a demon’s grandest display of power and exist in a category very unlike the previous two. These ultimate level abilties come at the cost of all available ability slots and can only ever be used once after manifestation. It is impossible to call upon these abilities through the use of demonic possession.
Demonic Traits: Are the unique charateristics and traits of any particular demon. These traits can be aspects of their physicality like horns, their size and sense of smell, and even things like their strength and agility. How these traits manifest is a matter of the demon, the contact, and the one manifesting this power.
  • Lesser Traits: Refer to the unique charaterics of a demon. These are often things like horns, tails, claws, sense of smell and the like.
  • Greater Traits: Refer to the unique characteristics and properties that demon’s might display when taking action. These are often things like increased destructive potential when punching things, or setting the ground ablaze with their step.
  • Major Traits: Are the direct representations of a demon’s physicality. These are often things like a demon’s strength, or skill with a blade. These traits manifest as enhancements to the host’s own abilities. It is impossible to access these traits when using demonic possession.
All demons will have a variety of traits, abilities and level of stability.


Okay so I will be borrowing some ideas from here when making the Demon List. I suppose an image and description should suffice....
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Post by Akugaranwa Itachi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:04 am

XIII wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:47 am
Akugaranwa Itachi wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:54 am
For the contract, I know this is late but I think making a form of sacrifice as the basis for summoning a Demon and to ascend from one rank of a Demon to another. For example, to accend from a Demon Duke(Major) to a Demon Lord, one would need to make a certain amount of sacrifice that sacrifice would be the gathering of conquered souls and giving it to the being you want summon. The amount of souls would depend on the amount of Respect and the type of Demon you get to summon from Valhalla. Then a Voice from the World(That would be the Demon God) would bless upon you a specific ability Unique to the character. E.t.c
There’s a reason why I set s deadline for these things.

It’s m too late to add this in as at the foundation since I would have to reconsider everything moving forward with this new thing you’re throwing out in mind. If you want to see it added, you’ll have to do the leg work for it and expand it to make sense with everything else that’s going go. Otherwise you’ll have to set this idea aside for later or something else entirely.


Yeah I figured. However I was absent almost throughout the set deadline..... just rounded up an exam.


Okay so this Demon List.....would an image and description of the summoned or available Demon for summon suffice? Or is there any other thing u have in mind?
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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:07 am

PhoenixDayne wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:37 am
I'll take on the profile templates, weapon forge and possibly, descriptions.
I’ll work with you one the forge since I’ve started trying to iron that out already, and I was actually going to talk to you about this anyway. I was going to try add in the new ideas from the RP discussion like adding in the money and materials system, but also taking things a step forward by adding in Devil Arms which would be weapons infused with the power of certain demons (which you could only get from making contracts with them). Also slightly adjusted how “Acapella” type weapons would work. Basically they’d be a lot closer to Zanpakutou where their owners would infuse the weapon with their own power, which would give it special properties or abilities. Needless to say I’ve had ideas I was ready to work into all this.


Also @Akugaranwa Itachi I’ve made a few edits to the rankings. Mainly a few slight adjustment and I’ve removed “Valhalla” as a name because that’s almost literally the opposite of Hell actually. Lastly I swapped out the image with one that has a demon army since that’s a lot more appropriate.
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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:11 am

Akugaranwa Itachi wrote:
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Yeah I figured. However I was absent almost throughout the set deadline..... just rounded up an exam.
Probably should’ve spoke sooner in that case. My post was left without respond for more than a month before I set the deadline.

Okay so this Demon List.....would an image and description of the summoned or available Demon for summon suffice? Or is there any other thing u have in mind?
Suffice? No that’d be bare minimum here. I mentioned up above what’s all necessary. I’ll quote that below.
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Akugaranwa Itachi wrote: Okay, that works......however I would like to see how it is you want it to be then i’ll Follow in that pattern and make mine.
Brace yourself... I’ve laid out the foundation for the whole system but the rules and how exactly everything needs to work hasn’t been solidified or polish.

Here under demon contracting, you’ll find all of my work. So need to finalize how respect will work for the various ranks. How to assign demon stats and traits for their ranks (at least in regards to what stats they boost and by how much) for demonic presence, influence and possession. Then establishing a general balance for all these aspects across the demon ranks (and the rest of the RP). And then getting a solid format for how to nicely display all this information.

I’m sure there’s more I’m forgetting but that’s kinda how it is now with so many things that need to be tracked and dealt with.
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Post by Akugaranwa Itachi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:34 am

under demon contracting, you’ll find all of my work. So need to finalize how respect will work for the various ranks. How to assign demon stats and traits for their ranks (at least in regards to what stats they boost and by how much) for demonic presence, influence and possession. Then establishing a general balance for all these aspects across the demon ranks (and the rest of the RP). And then getting a solid format for how to nicely display all this information.

I think your post mostly covered it all and frankly speaking I love how the respect is tied to how much RP the character has undone. But this should be in the form of the missions completed that is the % of how successful a mission gets done and how successful a kill(spar) is carried out. That is 0 success rate in a mission and spar would leave you without respect.
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Post by Akugaranwa Itachi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:54 am

How to assign demon stats and traits for their ranks (at least in regards to what stats they boost and by how much) for demonic presence, influence and possession.
Just to be sure.....are we not going to make use of the normal CBS stats for the Demon race??? Well mostly it is gonna be a no seeing as Demon Authority has replaced Reiatsu control...... maybe whatever stats made for the Togabito should be used for the Demon stats seeing as they are almost the same thing......

Demonic Presence: should boost the host abilities by a level since the Demon would serve as a means to use its powers

Demonic influence: should boost the user by two levels but sacrificing a part of his body for such price.

Demonic Possession: hmmm still don’t know how that one plays out *Thinking*
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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:57 am

Akugaranwa Itachi wrote:
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I think your post mostly covered it all and frankly speaking I love how the respect is tied to how much RP the character has undone. But this should be in the form of the missions completed that is the % of how successful a mission gets done and how successful a kill(spar) is carried out. That is 0 success rate in a mission and spar would leave you without respect.
Uh no? Or at least how do you figure? For the final thread demons still need to have what stats they boost listed (cause this is very important), as well as what traits they give, and that still needs to be balanced for each demon rank and for the rest of the RP.

I also haven’t figured out the exact numbers for “rank respect” either.

Then there’s this:
Note: TBD Respect will determine how many ability slots a demon can have, and how long Demonic Influence, Presence, or Possession can last.
I haven’t figured this out yet either. Haven’t figured out what levels of respect = how many abilities/ traits you gain access to from each demon (or even how to manage that in practice), nor have I fully figured out the total amount of either of those things for each demon either. But I would say at maximum 4 abilities and 2 traits maximum (or 4 and 4???).

Lesser abilities cost 1 slot. Greater abilities cost 3, and Major abilities cost 4. And I would say at any given time, you only get 4 demon ability slots total. So that means you could use either 4 lesser abilities, 1 greater ability and one lesser ability, or one major ability from the demon you make a contract with.

Traits don’t matter exactly how many you get, since they’re not as significant (?) as abilities are. So in this case it would just be limited by how much respect you have.

Oh and there’s things like if Lesser, Greater, or Major Demons would get more or less abilities total based on their rank (which they probably should) and limits to how many demons you can have contracts with at any point int time (also based on their rank). Like we probably shouldn’t be allowing you to make an infinite amount of contracts with all the most powerful demons in existence.

Finally I’ve been thinking since Togabito are demons too, being able to form contracts with each other in order to (in a limited sense) share their own personal abilities and traits. For example you could form a contract with me, earn my respect and gain the right to use some of my own abilities or gain my traits. Or you could summon a remnant of my power to fight for you in battle as well just like you would any other demon.



Soooooo there’s still very much that needs to be done.
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Re: Race Expansion Phase 2: Togabito Headquarters

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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:06 pm

Akugaranwa Itachi wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:54 am
How to assign demon stats and traits for their ranks (at least in regards to what stats they boost and by how much) for demonic presence, influence and possession.
Just to be sure.....are we not going to make use of the normal CBS stats for the Demon race??? Well mostly it is gonna be a no seeing as Demon Authority has replaced Reiatsu control...... maybe whatever stats made for the Togabito should be used for the Demon stats seeing as they are almost the same thing......
Demon stats and Togabito stats will be slightly different. When I say demon stats, I’m referencing what stats the demon will boost for the Togabito.

So demon stats would likely look like this;

Strength: +1
Endurance: +2

Demonic Presence: should boost the host abilities by a level since the Demon would serve as a means to use its powers

Demonic influence: should boost the user by two levels but sacrificing a part of his body for such price.

Demonic Possession: hmmm still don’t know how that one plays out *Thinking*
Except for the fact that these are all very different abilities by themselves. I’ve described as much, but to restate the facts here...

Demonic Influence is a transformation ability. Essentially letting you partially transform into the demon influencing you in order to gain their power. This is a temporary stat boost plus you get whatever traits are tied to that demon.

Demonic Presence allows you to host the power of the demon, and in return you gain the right to use their abilities.

Demon Possession allows the demon to “take control” of you and gives you access to both benefits of influence and presence. Minus the stat boost, and a few other conditions apply here too.
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Post by PhoenixDayne » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:37 pm

XIII wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:07 am
PhoenixDayne wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:37 am
I'll take on the profile templates, weapon forge and possibly, descriptions.
I’ll work with you one the forge since I’ve started trying to iron that out already, and I was actually going to talk to you about this anyway. I was going to try add in the new ideas from the RP discussion like adding in the money and materials system, but also taking things a step forward by adding in Devil Arms which would be weapons infused with the power of certain demons (which you could only get from making contracts with them). Also slightly adjusted how “Acapella” type weapons would work. Basically they’d be a lot closer to Zanpakutou where their owners would infuse the weapon with their own power, which would give it special properties or abilities. Needless to say I’ve had ideas I was ready to work into all this.
Let's get on with it then.
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Re: Race Expansion Phase 2: Togabito Headquarters

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Post by XIII » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:20 pm

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Let's get on with it then.
Do pm when ready.
Ah nah, don’t want to work on this over PM for the sake of my inbox and cause I wanna leave things open for input.

Anyway my rough ideas right now is this:

For the most part people will be able to craft additional weapons (and Armor) for their arsenal. This is because weapon switching will be a thing for Togabito. At max I think only 5 extra weapons would be acceptable but we can play around with the exact numbers.

There’s also the whole ting of weapons styles. Each style would focus around certain types of weapons (swords, fists, guns/bows, etc.). To start you’d only be able to use one style and one weapon, but eventually you could use all the styles and multiple weapons.

Weapon would start out at basic levels, but could be upgraded to have better qualities. Like a higher grade sword would cut better than a lower grade one, or a higher grade one could be modified to have elemental properties while lower level ones can’t. Additionally the idea of “Demon Arms” which will be unique weapons that you can only gain from demon contracts. These weapons would have the element, traits and abilities of whatever demon their tied to.

So for example Ifrit’s Blade, would be a flaming sword and has the “Molten Metal” trait. That could be something where each slash leaves behind a few bits of molten stew behind with each slash that burns the victim over a short time, or does extra damage with each hit. Then it could have one or two abilities as well. And perhaps people could only have one or two of these weapons at a time.

Additionally with the Acapella Style (fully explained in the spoiler below), people would create their own Devil Arm, which would essentially just be a Zanpakutou. However since they don’t have the option of changing their weapons like you can if you use other styles, they could add the powers of other demons to it, and switch to those instead.
Acapella: A rigid style forged by those who choose their own path and would rather curse the world with the power of their own voice. Acapella users craft a single weapon of their own making and infuse it with their own demonic power. As such, Acapella weapons tend to have a number unique properties or even powers attached to them, in exchange for the lack of potential flexibility. However, as a means to expand their flexibility and potential, it is possible that Acapella user may learn to evoke the voices of other demons in order to infuse their powers within these types of weapons.
As far as custom armor’s go it would be roughly the same, minus the abilities part. Instead it would be much like the suits Flux was talking about in the new Seireitei thread.

And uh finally is from the discussion from the RP discussion about uninvited quests to get materials/ money to make the weapons rather than people just making them for free.

Small edit here: I think the ultimate vision in seeing for this is this. High flexibility and customization options, and the idea of sharing/borrowing power from other demons. Either for weapons, or for personal use this is something really wanna pull off cause it could be really awesome in practice.
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